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Zombie-Climate Arguments Are BAAACK! And this Time It's Mainstream

category south west | media and culture | opinion/analysis author Tuesday August 19, 2008 12:45author by Anarchist606 Report this post to the editors

Run for the Hills as the Western Press Goes Denialist

I have previously argued that debating with denailists was a point less exercise (the comments around which on Bristol Indymedia just went to prove my point) – and I am not the only one who thinks so....

Oh yes....
Oh yes....

NASA's chief scientist concurs;

"... public discussion of global warming is befogged by contrarians, whose opinions are given a megaphone by special interests that benefit by keeping the public confused. Some of the contrarians were once scientists, but now they behave, at least on the topic of global warming, as lawyers defending a client. Their aim is to present a case as effectively as possible, citing only evidence that supports their client, and making the story appear as favorable as possible to their client. The best, the most articulate, are sought out by special interests, and even by much of the media, because the media likes to have 'balance' in its coverage of most topics – and especially this topic because special interests have influence on the media."

Sadly, the media tendency to 'balance' also extends to 'propaganda' as shown by the example of Mr Rooney of the Country Land Association given a column in the Western Press to pour water on the claims of climate change. He writes a convincing article that seems to be a sober assessment of current thinking;

"The claimed threat rests on two key propositions deriving from United Nations reports: that global temperatures are determined mainly by carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere, and that human activity, especially the use of fossil fuels, is increasing these to historically high and dangerous levels. But as research continues and understanding grows, things look less straightforward – and less dire.

Existing doubts about a simple link between temperature and carbon dioxide were reinforced by a paper given at Bayreuth University last month. This reported that during at least three substantial periods in the last 200 years carbon dioxide levels have equalled or exceeded those prevailing today, although temperatures were lower.

On the second point, subsequent studies indicate that the United Nations report substantially underestimated natural contributions to the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, consequently exaggerating those attributable to human activity. A report that the contribution from human activity is much less than the UN suggested has been endorsed by 31,000 scientists, many more than advised the UN."


Well gosh, that sounds like current thinking is dissolving climate change away and I may as well book that long-haul holiday as planned! However, how the Western Mail let sloppy claims though should lead to serious questions being asked about their editorial standards. Lets look at the two claims;

"Existing doubts about a simple link between temperature and carbon dioxide were reinforced by a paper given at Bayreuth University last month. This reported that during at least three substantial periods in the last 200 years carbon dioxide levels have equalled or exceeded those prevailing today, although temperatures were lower."

Interesting that the author just says 'a paper given at Bayreuth University' and not by who. If he did the validity of the claim would soon evaporate. The 'paper' was by Ernst-Georg Beck, not a climatologist or a professor – he is a school biology teacher. Not to diss school biology teachers, they do great work – but they are not climatologists. His work has been totally debunked and comes to the opposite conclusion of all the data we have. You would only endorse his work if you were in denial.

"On the second point, subsequent studies indicate that the United Nations report substantially underestimated natural contributions to the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, consequently exaggerating those attributable to human activity. A report that the contribution from human activity is much less than the UN suggested has been endorsed by 31,000 scientists, many more than advised the UN."

Here we go again – the argument of living-dead – this is not new, indeed this a reference to the 'Oregon Petition' – an unverified petition that allowed anyone to sign-up and was presented as 'proof' of a real debate in science. Except that is was duff, as Scientific American reported back in 2001;

"Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community."

The article then goes on the quote the work of Fred Singer, without any context as to who he is in relation to the global warming debate – he is a very prominent denailist who has admitted taking $10,000 from Exxon Mobil, has been part of their anti-Climate Change PR machine for some time. He was also a prominent scientist in the campaign by big Tobacco to deny health risks in smoking. Hardly a neutral voice.

Put simply the Western Mail article is bunk propaganda and it is shocking that a so-called newspaper should let a half-baked column of nonsense though. However what is does show is that the standard of proof the denailist demands to back their non-argument is non-existent (unverified, non-peer reviewed gumff from a lay-person is fine) but there is no amount of data/qualified people on the other side they will accept.

In short, as climate-creationists they argue a position of faith. However we do need to ask why the mainstream media gives them such an easy time?

Meanwhile in the real world; climate change is causing problems for Spain's water supply and messing with the breading patterns of birds.

Related Link: http://anarchist606.blogspot.com/

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Gosh - ever more desperate?     Art    Tue Aug 19, 2008 17:22 
   "Fighting the Left with the goal of Victory"     Boyd    Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:45 
   Dawkins     Joe Bloggs    Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:46 
   Since that is the battleground you have picked     Boyd    Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:48 
   What I find amazing     Art    Wed Aug 20, 2008 09:48 
   Boyd     Joe Bloggs    Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:01 
   Dawkins on Global Warming     Anarchist606    Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:09 
   Yawn...     Zombie Killer    Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:18 
   Denialists and their 'loop'     $$$$$$$$$-££££££££    Wed Aug 20, 2008 15:37 
 10   606 and Zombie killer     Joe Bloggs    Wed Aug 20, 2008 17:25 
 11   Really?     Zombie Killer    Wed Aug 20, 2008 23:18 
 12   Does not cover the point     Art    Thu Aug 21, 2008 06:30 
 13   Wrong Art     Peter Wilkinson.    Thu Aug 21, 2008 08:56 
 14   for Joe Bloggs     Anarchist606    Thu Aug 21, 2008 09:02 
 15   On giving up     Sy    Thu Aug 21, 2008 09:32 
 16   Oi! Joe Bloggs!     CH    Thu Aug 21, 2008 19:42 
 17   Why enertain them!     twoddle    Thu Aug 21, 2008 19:54 
 18   Read this and weep for honesty and integrity     Jam    Thu Aug 21, 2008 21:04 
 19   for Jam     what?    Thu Aug 21, 2008 21:29 
 20   In your dreams     Joe Bloggs    Thu Aug 21, 2008 21:40 
 21   Year right...... "twoddle"!!!!     Twadle with an A    Thu Aug 21, 2008 22:05 
 22   oi CH what     Joe Bloggs    Thu Aug 21, 2008 22:52 
 23   greed and self interest     backed off    Fri Aug 22, 2008 07:54 
 24   Big bucks at stake on this one.     SELF-ISM    Fri Aug 22, 2008 08:08 
 25   Who Is Behind Climate Change Deniers?     Will    Fri Aug 22, 2008 08:26 
 26   Diverting attention is all they want to do, and dont ask why!     Planet savers r us.    Fri Aug 22, 2008 08:32 
 27   The Truth About Denial     (they hate being called deniers)    Fri Aug 22, 2008 08:36 
 28   For backed off     Joe Bloggs    Fri Aug 22, 2008 08:56 
 29   Deniers denialists and delayers, Doubt is Their Product     D Word    Fri Aug 22, 2008 09:08 
 30   Climate change documentation.     Bored by scientists and denier trolls.    Fri Aug 22, 2008 09:20 
 31   Climate myths: Global warming stopped in 1998     ooooOOOOooooo    Fri Aug 22, 2008 09:31 
 32   Wrong again Joe Bloggs     CH    Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:53 
 33   for CH     Joe Bloggs    Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:57 
 34   It is a problem for the believers     Art    Sat Aug 23, 2008 09:28 
 35   Pressure on to reach emissions agreement     Mell O    Sat Aug 23, 2008 15:05 
 36   Where is Clive Hammond anyway?     Astroturfer    Sat Aug 23, 2008 17:02 
 37   trolling and hammond     troll watch    Sat Aug 23, 2008 17:22 
 38   the 'final solution' in a sinister shade of green     pro growth environmentalist    Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:57 
 39   Healthy scepticism or denialist dogma.     CH    Sun Aug 24, 2008 14:15 
 40   for CH     Joe Bloggs    Sun Aug 24, 2008 16:14 
 41   Is climate change our leaders' solution to their own mess?     Rationalist    Sun Aug 24, 2008 17:12 
 42   end games     pro growth environmentalist    Sun Aug 24, 2008 18:03 
 43   Leave out the macho posturing please.     Ms. Medja    Sun Aug 24, 2008 18:43 
 44   Rational Solutions to Climate Change     Tory Monarchist    Sun Aug 24, 2008 19:11 
 45   How to play the endgame?     Rationalist    Sun Aug 24, 2008 21:34 
 46   one earth - 7 billion people     pro growth environmentalist    Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:11 
 47   the easiest billion to lose     pro growth environmentalist    Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:07 
 48   Reductio ad Hitlerum by Pro Growth 'Environmentalist'     Astroturf Spotter    Tue Aug 26, 2008 09:13 
 49   spoofed, but all too true     pro growth environmentalism    Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:46 
 50   shock headline - how long will it stay dead...     Anarchist606    Tue Aug 26, 2008 14:14 
 51   last for joe     CH    Tue Aug 26, 2008 15:12 
 52   CH     Joe Bloggs    Tue Aug 26, 2008 15:39 
 53   Clive Hammond     imcvol    Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:41 


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